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lwbtmboy 59M
660 posts
7/19/2021 4:40 pm

Throughout history, California has experienced many droughts, such as 1841, 1864, 1924, 1928–1935, 1947–1950, 1959–1960, 1976–1977, 1986–1992, 2006–2010, 2011–2017, 2018 and 2020. This is not new as with the weather in other parts of the world .


DancingDom 74M
22603 posts
7/19/2021 5:26 pm

No doubt that history shows classical changes in weather. But there is plenty of evidence human activity contributes to climate change. Harvesting resources, contributes to the decline of many resources. Introduction of more carbon dioxide has a deleterious effect on air quality.Pesticides use affects the quality and safely of food and the proliferation of species, i.e in particular bees needed for pollination of food sources. Life as we have know it is changing, not always for eh best.

Those who propose the continued use of fossil fuels which do contribute to global warming, hang their hat on the fact there are cyclical changes. But we have and are accelerating those changes. If we can control and limit those changes, it certainly is to the benefit of life on Earth. To depend on cyclical changes to happen fast and recover, is wishful thinking. Which is the notion that don't want us to put in climate controls are pushing.

I think long term for the future generations.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


2hard4u247 68M  
357 posts
7/19/2021 5:51 pm

Don't forget HAARP and it's Russian and Chinese equivalents.


Keepitfun1261 63M

7/19/2021 7:38 pm

Need to change our way living. Need a better energy source


Lkn4subslt 50M
14 posts
7/19/2021 9:35 pm

I don't think this is the forum for this debate


rope_n_cuffs 78M  
949 posts
7/19/2021 10:12 pm

Do I believe in climate change? Hell yes! The place I now live in was under an ice sheet several kilometres thick in tha last ice age. That is some climate change, and it happened without a single hairy-arsed petrol-head around. Do I believe sea levels are rising? Hell yes! 15,000 years ago I could have walked from UK to France, but i could not have hitched a lift on a diesel truck or a ride on a coal-burning steam train. The average rise in sea level over that time is what is now making us panic.

We are able for the first time in history to make daily measurements from all over the globe and to see local extreme events, and we compare this to historical guesses from ice core samples and cave paintings. So we panic over short-term swings without really knowing if they have always happened..

I fear science is looking in the wrong direction to save the planet. But unless you toe the line, you get no funding.....


rope_n_cuffs 78M  
949 posts
7/19/2021 10:19 pm

In my lifetime, top scientists have predicted global cooling, the answer to which was to put more carbon dioxide into the air. Then we scared a generation of children with global warming, which turned out to be temporary and morphed into climate change. So much for the science. I await the next fad with interest.


rope_n_cuffs 78M  
949 posts
7/19/2021 10:34 pm

We live on the thin and shifting crust of a cooling but still molten fireball kept warm bu a massive fusion reaction 96 million miles away. And we think we control our destiny? The arrogance of scientists sometimes astounds me.


GoddessWilliam 41F
6 posts
7/19/2021 10:50 pm

I agree with you, climate change is all human's fault


lwbtmboy 59M
660 posts
7/19/2021 11:49 pm

The sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling, ok chicken little.


Mastodon1976 48M
51 posts
7/19/2021 11:54 pm

Doggerland has no bearing on the climate debate.

There is an absolute correlation between the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and changes in the atmosphere.


rope_n_cuffs 78M  
949 posts
7/20/2021 12:06 am

    Quoting Mastodon1976:
    Doggerland has no bearing on the climate debate.

    There is an absolute correlation between the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and changes in the atmosphere.
Interesting statement as we weren't measuring it then. We can only look back and estimate the effects. And why are our current climate-change attempts having no measurable effect? Billions in carbon taxes, global carbon 'trading', carbon reductions, and no visible result. Excuse my scepticism.


bluefish9299 70M
51 posts
7/20/2021 8:12 am

Hi GH,
Well you certainly have created quite a debate! This planet is nearly 5 billion years old. Geological evidence easily proves that the Earth's climate has not always been the same. I think we just happen to be alive in the moment where it is changing. Have humans contributed to climate change? Perhaps, but the question becomes, to what extent? Maybe not as much as some believe.
Nice, as always, to hear from you. Hope all is well with you and those you care about. Thank you for sending me a 'flirt.' You are much too kind, and far and away my most favorite person on this site. Be good. Stay well.
Have a nice day!



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