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ExNameForUse 53F
4245 posts
1/22/2024 10:27 am
"I Am A Genetic Trash"

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ExNameForUse 53F
5764 posts
1/22/2024 10:27 am

I feel deeply sorry that he is so unhappy and unsatisfied but even more for not knowing what to do about it...if anything is left to be done but let him live his life as best as he can and be there for him if he needs me.


brandygirasol 55T
9435 posts
1/22/2024 10:38 am

My Dear Friend Ex💋.... ❤️HUGS❤️


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:13 am:
Thank you Brandy, my friend

RobertBishop 66M  
2145 posts
1/22/2024 10:51 am

I'm sorry to hear that. First, it sounds like he needs to be on anti-depressants. As one who is also prone to clinical depression (which is runs in my gene pool), I can tell you that the medications I take work very well. Of course, they have to be prescribed by a doctor, preferably a psychiatrist. It can take a bit of trial-and-error to find the right one, but perhaps if he can use the drugs to become functional, he can then work out some of his issues with a therapist.
The writings (and videos) of clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson have also assisted a number of young men in finding some meaning in their lives. He has a number of videos on YT and his books are excellent as well.
We, as parents, do our best. We are not perfect, but, well, most of us tried out best.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:14 am:
Thank you, RB, for your consideration, thoughts and suggestions. Always good to hear about other experiences... I see no other way but to try my best not to lose him.

grywolf2 73M
3112 posts
1/22/2024 11:07 am

It sounds like he has developed a self-image that needs massive reconstruction.

Unfortunately, a parent is the least skilled at this type of intervention.
If he is willing to face it, professional counseling might chart a path.

This is such a sad situation as this has no simple answer. Try not to torture yourself as you are not to blame. imho


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:18 am:
Thank you, grywolf. I am fully aware that I cannot solve this delicate situation. What I am doing is just simply loving and caring and not being judgemental. A professional could help if my son was willing to face the problem as something that could be solved. At the moment he is pretty much convinced it is as he said it is and there is no other way for him to feel.

pzkw 63M  
1285 posts
1/22/2024 11:58 am

Out of curiosity, how old is your son?


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:19 am:
My son is 20, in June 21.

rydermantel 69M
25396 posts
1/22/2024 11:59 am

Not the best place to be. Perhaps how hugs came into being. Sending one now.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:19 am:
Thank you, Ryder, I appreciate your kindness very much

FunAlphaGuy 56M

1/22/2024 12:07 pm

Where is his father?
How old is he?


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:20 am:
My son is 20 now and he and his father live together.

meltwill2 72M  
3809 posts
1/22/2024 12:42 pm

    Quoting ExNameForUse:
    I feel deeply sorry that he is so unhappy and unsatisfied but even more for not knowing what to do about it...if anything is left to be done but let him live his life as best as he can and be there for him if he needs me.
Lots in our area are going through the same thing.....most have tried everything....they relegate themselves to the fact that nothing they have done or tired has helped. Now they just try and support as best as they can. The situations have caused a lot of divorces over the years.....I was one of them......


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:24 am:
I am sorry for your situation... it was not the reason for my divorce, but I tend to believe that my bad marriage influenced my son and his attitude towards authorities, parents, and people in general.

uncommon1 66M  
1438 posts
1/22/2024 12:43 pm

I was raised heathen for the
first eight years of my life . .
Trust me, there is no caring,
loving or repair for his mentality.
It is doubtful that playing well
with others will ever grace his
personality.
Protect him from himself and
educate him. Spare him your
guilt, he doesn't care. What he
needs the most, no one can teach
or give him. Understanding himself
is the journey he seeks.
If he's hard on himself, or you or the
world, let it be.
I was fortunate enough to befriend a
woman that is a practicing clinical
psychologist and she was able to help
me understand how the things lacking
in my childhood affects my distrust of
all authority but more importantly I figured
out that it's not me that is broken but my
childhood. Finding his value in himself isn't
as simple as confidence. Letting him talk to a
psychologist is a better idea than trying
to cover his issues with drugs. Good luck.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 9:29 am:
I do share your opinion on almost everything you wrote, uncommon. I believe that talking with someone who he would find as a person of trust and admirable authority would help him to reach that point of facing what hurts him the most and realize that what happened in his childhood has nothing to do with him back then, and even less now... maybe one day he will be open to that possibility. Right now he is against as many of his friends did visit a professional and ended up on drugs, which he refuses to even try to...
Thank you for your input, uncommon. I appreciate your time and effort to be helpful.

Dave54321 61M
2718 posts
1/22/2024 1:06 pm

So sorry to hear about this.

Some years ago friends of mine had problems with their son.
So I've seen first hand, how difficult it can be for parents in that position.
It sounds like he needs professional help, but I know that's not always easy
to find. Although of course I don't know the situation in your country.

I'm sure it's not your fault, I guess any parent would feel guilty
in such circumstances. I am no expert, but I've heard chemical imbalances
in the brain can lead to depression. I can only imagine that repeated bullying
would only re-enforce any negative feelings.

Anyway try & stay positive.
Wishing you all the best & sending you hugs.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 12:30 pm:
I'm doing my utmost, Dave, thank you for your kind words and thoughts.
His problems at school were with other boys who were more into football, basketball, etc, and my son wasn't into those team sports, but more into painting and reading,... it is when he started seeing himself as not good enough. He wore glasses too and that was another reason for kids to make fun of him... So when you grow up being convinced day by day you are ugly because of your glasses or clumsy because you are not fascinated with football... and it is the time when the most important thing is what other kids think or say... roots are deep and I am doing my best to remind him of all of his achievements since then... many of those are just a fantasy or plain wishes for his school friends still... hopefully as he emotionally matures, he will figure it out himself... with a little help and support of this crazy mama xx

1benquick 71M
614 posts
1/22/2024 1:25 pm

"His misfortune seems to be that he is the child of his parents and not someone else's parents, that he is the offspring of his parents and not some other, some beautiful, tall, successful, wealthy people...
Not a day goes by that I don't wonder where I was so wrong, what am I doing so wrong. The only thing wrong, it seems, is that I'm his mom, and it is not someone else, with some better genetic predispositions, a mom he could admire for something, and then maybe even love for that.
This way... he has no reason to, because I am, this imperfect and ordinary, responsible for "giving birth" to him, this imperfect and a genetic failure. So, forever guilty.'
That MIGHT be the saddest thing I've ever heard, and the most misunderstood thing someone could say to a parent. None of us get to choose our parents, and sometimes they're not the greatest people in the world, but ANYBODY that thinks the grass is GREENER on the other side is CLEARLY not seeing things for what they are. It sounds to me that you have gone above and beyond in your attempts to help, intervene, solve, and MOST of ALL, LOVE your son. I realize that this is just a 'snapshot' in the EPIC biographical movie of your son's life, but, it sounds as if you ALWAYS been there for him, but that's never been enough (for him, and now, or perhaps for a long time, you, too, have felt this from things he's said and done). I think about all the Rock/movie/sports stars whose children have died at young ages do to drug overdoses, daredevil/foolish acts, etc. and wonder if your son has ever read or seen those stories in the news and thought of all the things you HAVE done for him. It's been my personal experience that every family I've known in my life has a member that doesn't "FEEL" that they fit, that they're not/never 'good enough', but you didn't treat him that way, you didn't sit down with your Ex-husband and discuss how you wanted to have a 'fat, ugly, underachieving, short, incompetent kid' so you could stand back and watch him struggle his whole life with low self esteem. How sad that he's not found ANYTHING in life that's MOTIVATED him to improve his self esteem, Ex, reading, sports, guy friends, girl friends, a pet he's responsible for, ANYTHING that would give him a boost in MORALE...I will say that I BELIEVE you've done all you could for as long as he's been in your life, without personally KNOWING you, one can tell from what you've written, you've been the mother this young man has needed his entire life, and you can't blame yourself for the shortcomings he's encountering. As much as I loved my Dad, and I'll tell you, it was HUGE, he was my HERO, my living, BREATHING HERO, my Mother's love was ALWAYS ALL ENCOMPASSING, shared between me and my brothers! When Dad wasn't available, Mom was ALWAYS there, ALWAYS! I'm betting you were too, for your son, and obviously still are! Don't beat yourself up, you've done your BEST, and as you stated, 'if anything is left to be done but let him live his life as best as he can and be there for him if he needs me.', as that's all any GOOD parent can ever do...


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 12:45 pm:
The thing is, to me - he is a fine young man, not ugly in the slightest, only convinced so because he wore glasses till recently. He is into reading, he is a passionate reader, mostly SF, and fantasy, he loves movies and films, he is studying business economics and finances at a private university, a second year now, he is fluent in English and German, he started traveling last year and visited 4 European countries with his best friend, and spent 3 months in Germany through student's work and travel program... he hasn't god many, but has a few good friends, one of his buddies is the one from the university and they travel together... he exercises at home every day, has some equipment I am not familiar with but he is a good looking young man, he even did the LASIC surgery, so he is not wearing glasses anymore... he is waiting for papers since he has been invited to go to Germany again this year... in my eyes, and yes I am his mum and I think he is, besides everything, a good kid, but in my eyes, I think he did a lot for his 20's... but there are moments when he has those drops, some kind of flash backs of his childhood, the words he has been listening from friends, feelings of being excluded... when my head and heart want to explode... remaining calm, remaining accountable, remaining there to listen, to offer an opinion, is all I can do, and sometimes that is hard and like walking on the egg shells...

drmgirl622 68F  
26111 posts
1/22/2024 2:23 pm

Your reinforcement and support of him is all you can do. It's not failure on either part! Sending you all my best and lots of prayers.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 12:47 pm:
Thank you, Dreamy, thank you very much.

Crankytoyou 71M
711 posts
1/22/2024 3:09 pm

That is a tough one. I was like that for years after my father died when I was 13. I exchanged the sadness for anger. I spread it around. Over time, I quit feeling as much. The anger is never far away, even now. Good luck . I hope he finds a way.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 12:54 pm:
I am somehow sure he is deeply a sad person. Deeply sad. But he has to find a way to abandon that sorrow. I told him once when he wanted to talk a little, which is not always the case... and I always have to be careful with word selection, tone, and voice... I told him I understood his sadness, and how miserable it must have been back then... but that time has gone. It is over. Ended. Caput. And the past should remain where it belongs - in the past. Thinking, and contemplating everything again and again is only feeding that sadness and keeping it alive. The only way to kill it is to starve it. Leave it, let it go, and it will fade over time flooded with all other good stuff which are happening or about to happen.
Rarely, he agrees with me. Most of the time, that sadness turns into anger. It is when he cuts me off and stops communicating, and it can last for months until he responds to me again...

likeithot19 62M
6061 posts
1/22/2024 3:44 pm

Everything you do is based on the choices you make
It is not your parents, your past relations, your job. the economy,
the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you
are responsible for every decision and choice you make. Period.
Copied from Red Celeb Carpet
You are beating yourself up because of the choices your son's made and,
still is. The old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink
comes to mind.
Tell him since you cause him so much grief and pain it is time to walk away, with love, letting him know if He needs you, he can call. The purpose being to save yourself, possibly him as well. In earlier posts you mentioned He has friends. Leave Him to them. Called tough love, It will be hard. But so is this as it IS eating YOU away.
His words show you gave him an education.
Remember the words I shared with you on an earlier post that my Father shared with me. Time for you to share them with him


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 1:06 pm:
I often think of that saying... how you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.
On the other hand, sometimes I thought that he wanted help, only didn't know how to ask for it but with anger, provoking me, so he could spit out all his bitterness at someone. That someone is me because I am sure he knows I will forgive everything.
When he said that last thing about being genetic trash... it took me by surprise but also left me pretty calm like I saw things more clearly. Like - how can I possibly help someone who thinks like that of himself? It is why all my efforts turned out to be a failure.
And my response was very close to what your father said - that I am deeply sorry he feels that way, that I strongly disagree but also accept if that is what he believes in, and that I hope that one day, sooner or later, he will realize that life can be quite nice and even happy with little things and a few dear people around us... I said that I was sorry I couldn't help with his genetic prepositions, but that I would always be there if he needed me.
I made a step back then. Felt almost sick myself, but that was not something I would share with him. It is when I realized that if I don't stop "helping" others, I will end up broken, and alone, which I already am.

DancingDom 74M
22590 posts
1/22/2024 7:17 pm

This was hard to read.I feel for you. He needs some professional encouragement and affirmation of what is good in him. Not how he came about, i.e. genetic linage. And. you should discuss this for your sake with a counselor on how to deal with your guilt and regrets about how he was raised. There is no garbage here.If you have done the best you could with him then you did him the best you could. Accept that you did what you could do to raise him to be what is possible. There is no shortcoming on your part. Other above have said some good things about this. I don't think I can say anything more apropos than those who commented have.

We are our own persons, once we are born. We may be tied genetically and have direct connection as we grow and become our own person. No one else is responsible for a negative view, if they seem to choose.They are unique entities. Most birds are pushed out of the nest to fly. They either do fly and make it on their own or they don't. The parental momma and daddy birds can't fly for them.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 1:15 pm:
I am sorry, DD, I made it hard. It was not my intention... just my need to share something hard for me and, as likeithot said, is eating me away daily... with people who won't be judgemental and who would want to offer an independent opinion, without emotions involved... for me sometimes that is completely impossible.
There are no perfect parents, I am sure I made many mistakes... but I also see parents of his friends, see my colleagues who are also parents... and I ain't that bad, DD... not perfect, but not the worst he could get.
If I could I would carry him on my back and teach him to fly... but I can't... he has to do his part of learning to fly alone... and I will be there to catch him if he falls, or to smile and cheer him up when he goes higher and higher...

boh99 68M
3154 posts
1/22/2024 10:40 pm

compensating skills, help him find things he likes and nurture that. Knowing you have a talent inside is a beautiful thing.

This breaks my heart. The world can be so cruel.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 1:35 pm:
We had some really tough times... sometimes I think there is nothing left of my heart that can be broken when I listen to his thoughts and how he felt then, and how he feels now... sometimes it seems he is so broken that it will be impossible to put him back together... on other times he is so harsh and cold, with no empathy or sympathy...
When he was younger I introduced many things to him so he could recognize and find what interests him... it is how he found out he is good at painting, or that he is good with foreign languages, ... but as he grew up, the less impact I had... he is now into travels... seeing other countries...

jenny14 75T  
90348 posts
1/23/2024 11:40 am

Ex

I too am sending a warm hug!

The amateur psychologist in me says that sadly, your son was born with depression and he takes his frustration out on you! You can only provide the support you do....

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw

Jenny


ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 1:37 pm:
Thank you, dear Jenny.
He was here today... we had dinner together, I made his favorite pizza, we talked and laughed, he did the dishes afterward, brought home some homemade bread I made for him, and some muffins that he likes... it was nice two hours today with him... he was doing well today... I was happy to see him like that...
I hope he left home filled with warmth and love...

likeithot19 62M
6061 posts
1/23/2024 2:15 pm

    Quoting likeithot19:
    Everything you do is based on the choices you make
    It is not your parents, your past relations, your job. the economy,
    the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you
    are responsible for every decision and choice you make. Period.
    Copied from Red Celeb Carpet
    You are beating yourself up because of the choices your son's made and,
    still is. The old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink
    comes to mind.
    Tell him since you cause him so much grief and pain it is time to walk away, with love, letting him know if He needs you, he can call. The purpose being to save yourself, possibly him as well. In earlier posts you mentioned He has friends. Leave Him to them. Called tough love, It will be hard. But so is this as it IS eating YOU away.
    His words show you gave him an education.
    Remember the words I shared with you on an earlier post that my Father shared with me. Time for you to share them with him
ExNameForUse replies on 1/23/2024 4:06 pm:
I often think of that saying... how you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.
On the other hand, sometimes I thought that he wanted help, only didn't know how to ask for it but with anger, provoking me, so he could spit out all his bitterness at someone. That someone is me because I am sure he knows I will forgive everything.
When he said that last thing about being genetic trash... it took me by surprise but also left me pretty calm like I saw things more clearly. Like - how can I possibly help someone who thinks like that of himself? It is why all my efforts turned out to be a failure.
And my response was very close to what your father said - that I am deeply sorry he feels that way, that I strongly disagree but also accept if that is what he believes in, and that I hope that one day, sooner or later, he will realize that life can be quite nice and even happy with little things and a few dear people around us... I said that I was sorry I couldn't help with his genetic prepositions, but that I would always be there if he needed me.
I made a step back then. Felt almost sick myself, but that was not something I would share with him. It is when I realized that if I don't stop "helping" others, I will end up broken, and alone, which I already am.
YOU ARE NOT YOU HAVE ME MYSELF AND i.YOU ARE LETTING YOUR SON DEMORALIZE YOU. STOP
He has started his own life stop. To rebuke his words remind him what your job was, to expose him to the world, What his job was, to learn and grow. You did your part. Step back as you bluntly say you now it is up to you. Do not be the clingy mommy, You and your 3 friends say call me if you need me


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 9:31 am:
Me, being clingy mama... 😳🤦‍♀️

I dont even know how to respond to what you suggested, likeithot... I may be many things, but clingy... whatever 🤷‍♀️

boh99 68M
3154 posts
1/23/2024 5:13 pm

never give up hope. people can find themselves.


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 9:32 am:
I am not giving up hope or my son... times can be tough, but I am not a quiter.

1benquick 71M
614 posts
1/23/2024 8:46 pm

I read in one of your responses on here, Ex, that when you've talked to him, keeping in mind your words and tone, etc. and mentioned leaving the things from the past that seem to continually haunt him off and on, that they should be left there, in the past, and not to dwell on them again and again. And you mentioned that sometimes, that sadness/sorrow he has turns to anger...I learned a LONG TIME ago, while in couples counseling in an effort to try and save my marriage (it's PROBABLY the most important thing I learned, or at least one of the most important things that came out of those sessions, anyway), that "ANGER is just FEAR covered up by a whole lot of NOISE!", the lady Counselor we were seeing told us BOTH that in one session, and it RESONATES with me EVERY time I see or hear of read about someone being angry about something, anything...he might need to find what the FEAR is that's driving him to become angry, and hopefully it will help him resolve some of the issues from the past, and move on in a positive way. From what I read back from you in response to what I posted the other day, it sounds like you have a wonderful young man that's making strides in his world, and it did my heart good to here that you recognize those QUALITIES in him, and I hope that helps YOU as much as your recognition of his accomplishments, helps him, as you're suffering through all this too, as you fully know.
There was a scene in a movie, "A River Runs Through It" (about two brothers, very competitive with each other, as well as with their friends, while growing up in Montana, as boys) The older brother clearly finds his way, through college and afterwards, marries and takes a job in Chicago as an English literature Prof. The younger, stays in Montana, goes to college and gets a job writing for a local newspaper, lives a 'BIT' WILDER life, drinking, gambling, and dabbling with the local ladies of the night, but stays TOUGH as nails, and SUPER COMPETITIVE. The older brother realizes the changes that his younger brother is going through and TRIES to help, even going to their father, who is the local Minister, but nothing that either does and says to the younger brother gets through. And their dad, the Minister, addressed his congregation one Sunday before his youngest son died, and he said; "“Each one of us here today will at one time in our lives look upon a loved one who is in need and ask the same question: We are willing help, Lord, but what, if anything, is needed? For it is true, we can seldom help those closest to us. Either we don't know what part of ourselves to give or, more often than not, the part we have to give is not wanted. And so it those we live with and should know who elude us. But we can STILL LOVE them -- we can LOVE them COMPLETELY without complete understanding...". You're not in this alone, either, Ex, I know you know that, and realize you have a WONDERFUL safety net of folks on here that will be there for you at the drop of a hat, when you need them. In trying times, you have to learn to lean on them when you need their support, and they'll GLADLY give it...


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 9:40 am:
Thank you very much for all your time and effort to support and understand what I am going through.
It is difficult to put all here in a post, words have their limitations, I am not that good with English, so it is easy to get lost in translation...
But I know, I feel it in my bones, that my dear blog friends do understand where I am coming from and how it all affects me.
I said that many times, this place is my safe zone and only people from here with who I interact are responsible for that.
Thank you once again.

DancingDom 74M
22590 posts
1/23/2024 11:52 pm

It was not hard on me. Just a hard read, not something you want to year a friend is having a hard time with. You want to reach out and support that friend kind of thing. Just like you do as a parent. You are right, no one is perfect. But you are perfectly good and a valuable contributor to society. I know we have not met, but I surely love you dearly.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 9:34 am:
I can say exactly the same about how I feel for you, dear DD 🧡

likeithot19 62M
6061 posts
1/24/2024 10:08 am

I am a nobody, to you, just another blogger. I am just giving a perspective from my viewpoint , another way to look at it. I mean no disrespect or anything and I apologize if a chosen word, bothered you. Never was my intent. We were all raised differently, I was raised like ospreys raise their young, taught to survive then left to do just that. I suppose I could have called for help if needed, but never did. Nor did I ever blame my parents for any of my misfortunes, I had a few. The lasting lesson in my head is/was learn to survive, we showed you, now you are on your own. There is no one to bitch at for how I turned out. My parents did their job. I think you did too. Turning off caring is hard, rather pretending one turned it off... that is a fact


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 10:25 am:
I know and I understand, likeithot that you have only good intentions.
I just dont respond when someone put a label on me, whatever it is... is you say I may be clingy, I shall leave it like that. If someone else say I am neglecting my son, I wont try to convince them I am not. We all see things from our own perspectives and thats fine.
No harm done there and no hard feelings between the two of us 😊😘

ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 10:27 am:
Besides, no one here is just nobody for me.

bdsmDOMdaddy 61M
4163 posts
1/24/2024 11:40 am

easy to beat yourself up Ex as you always do...you did the best you could do best you saw fit best you could manage you gave your best
nothing is wrong w love
love is the answer
his unhappiness is his own fault not yours
happiness comes from w in not what you have where you live etc.
self confidence is seXY & has no body image type along w good attitude personality sense of humor wins out over over brooding moody self loathing contempt
up to him to realize what he has in you & find happiness
you did all you can do
now just love listen be patient set the example for him & in time he will see know learn appreciate all you are...a good mom good person!


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 11:47 pm:
A very dear friend told me recently that I go to deep into everything, and then take it all on me... he may well be right.
Just as you suggested, BDD.
Thank you 😊

likeithot19 62M
6061 posts
1/24/2024 1:56 pm

Thank you! I also would not spend the time or energy if I did not feel some sort of friendship, connection


ExNameForUse replies on 1/24/2024 11:50 pm:
I know you wouldnt. No one would. Me neither.
It is why I believe we all have here yes - a long distance yet delicate and caring connection.
Without it we wouldnt last here too long. 😊


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